LOL. It came out in the Watson trial and it was Bugliosi that brought it out. The LAPD wanted to tie the murders to drug dealers who might have had a motive for murdering Frykowski. Then Ashley explores mystery man Reeve Whitson and his connection to the case, before taking a closer look at the operations conducted by the CIA and FBI in the Los Angeles and San Francisco areas during the 1960s. They could have played a part ranging from major to minor.We know that Reeve Whitson was an investigator of some sort. Ruth Wilson recently opened up more about why she left The Affair and claimed that she didn't feel safe on set. That said, in some cases it's understandable.In the case of Bugliosi's book, the errors regarding the Hearst bike delivery times and the Parent/Sharon car registrations aren't ones that I regard as serious. The Manson Murders, JFK, 9/11, and the Psychopathy of Power Lol who knows and also I stand corrected it was a VW microbus Manson traded it for, Regarding Moorehouse living at Cielo I never thought there was anything to it then I was listening to a recorded interview with Tom O'Neill who wrote the Chaos book, he said Altobelli told him that Melcher did let Moorehouse live at Cielo off and on during the summer of 1968, apparently this was one of the things O Neill asked Bugliosi in one of their many interviews for the book, O Neill said he started finding so many inconsistencies between that Bugs said publicly and what Melcher told him privately that Vince got so paranoid that he started threatening Tom about putting the things he heard from Melcher in the book. He was living with his parents in Los Angeles. He was a very dark player. katie8753 said"I've still never heard of Reeve Whitson.Who was Reeve Whitson? April or March, I don't remember the exact month Q:And was that the first time that you had spoken with this witness?A:YesQDid you direct that he be present at your office at a particular time?A:YesQ And how did you do so? Border Patrol agents finally breached the door about 40 minutes to an hour later when a staff member gave them a key. The funniest thing is "Whitson" knows about the murders a full hour before Chapman and who is the first person he tells? Grim glad youre back, where have you been?Odd coincidence do you guys know the judge in the Green River Killer, Gary Ridgway was Richard Jones, Quincy Jones brother. However, to be fair to ONeill, when I said that Hatami mentioned Whitson four times, I was being a bit sloppy in my choice of words. "pg190Neil Cummings, lawyer friend of Whitson: "when it came to Manson, he "was closer to it than anybody..""He was actively involved with some sort of investigation when it happened. Supposedly Debra Tate has the manuscript for the book, one of the claims in it was that Paul Caruso was representing Tom Harrigan and when Helder saw the new MDA drug on the to reports he wanted to get a sample analyzed but didn't know where to come by it so he asked Caruso if Hartigan would give him a sample and he did, it's awfully convenient how often Caruso's name pops up in the TLB saga. But your opinion isn't the one that counted circa '67~'69. Basically a long winded version of what I said, Chapman said it was there. William Garretson claimed that on the afternoon of August 8 while hitchhiking back to Cielo, some guy dressed as a hippie, picked him up. I knew this long before O'Neill's book came out. In the case of Sharon's car, it didn't really matter because the book came out 3 years after the perps were convicted, 5 years after the crime was solved. I can't believe people are trashing O'Neill's book. In spite of his disclaimer to Rosenfelt, I think he was part of the plot to kill them and subsequently got involved in the subsequent cover-up of the role of the CIA and military intelligence in the murders. He was probably there for the bike delivery, the hippie van delivery and at El Coyote dining. He didn't even see him during the trial.Reeve Whitson could of course be the spook extraordinaire.but once again, what ends up happening is that theories abound because there are many people that just refuse to accept the verdict as it came down and go looking to find reasons why it must have happened. There's about a 6 minute long clip on YouTube put up a couple of months ago of Hurst telling the story of delivering the bike to Cielo, he talked about meeting Sebring at the front door when he knocked and dropping Abigail's new bike off in the garage and taking another one back to the store, I'd have to listen again to see what time he claims but obviously the time he gave at the time of the murders is probably going to be more accident since hardly any time has elapsed. When they got to Cielos gate, he started asking weird questions about the cars in the lots. Since O'Neill's sources said that Whitson was in the house after the murders but before the police came, O'Neill draws the conclusion that Whitson was Manson's partner. I had high hopes when I read that O'Neil had spent twenty years researching the Manson murders, but the book reads like a confession of failure. Of the 9 people you mention, one of them says Whitson was there. He'd been talking to Gregg Jacobson about a race war {known then as "the shit is coming down" but it was very general} since they first met in May of '68. He was a close friend of Sharon and Jay, and thus the presence of the other hippies at the front door would not have aroused suspicion. ..the housekeeper* told me, "That flag has always been here. Did CIA use LSD to create Charles Manson's madness? I am also considered an information hoarder. left. Chapter 11 - Mind Control; Chapter 10 - The Haight-Ashbury Free Medical Clinic; Chapter 9 - Manson's Get-Out-of-Jail-Free Card; Chapter 8 - The Lawyer Swap; Chapter 7 - Neutralizing the Left; Chapter 6 - Who Was . They were connected to Ed Durston, boyfriend of Diane Linkletter. I am in Chapter 6, when Reeve Whitson is just being introduced as the cryptic CIA agent "He used his thumbnail to tear the top-right-hand corner of every piece of paper he handled, to mark it. He mentioned him once. Now, you'll know from past exchanges that I don't take what you have to say with any seriousness, not because I'm disinterested in what you say, but because you continually dangle but don't deliver. And, if you look at the police reports, there are those who claim to have heard male voices outside hours after Watson, et al. Whitson had worked in Central America during the late 50s, close to the Folger Company's offices (Ecuador?). He could not have been there prior to the dinner engagement at the El Coyote, otherwise he would joined Sharon, Jay, Wojtek and Abigail.The time of departure to the restaurant is tied to the delivery of Abigails bicycle by Dennis Hurst. And has anybody seen Bugliosi's OJ Special ("OJ Simpson: 100% Guilty")? The Tate-LaBianca Homicide Research Blog: Reeve Whitson Did he mention Tex ? Except there was this one dude, Reeve Whitson, who is alleged to have known about the killings at the Tate residence before the police. ZLR 694 belonged to Sharon's CamaroI'm generally pretty unforgiving of errors in books and it's even more annoying when I happen to know the info that is wrong. Their successors are illegal domestic NOCs at video game and social media suppliers, and APA handlers. I did not mean the 'scene' of the crime, rather the general milieu around crime scene before and afterI wondered about that but it works either way. He lived in 1940, at address, Indiana. But SMOOOCH to you!!!! I've always been a massive skeptic- ironically I'm a huge fan of Bugliosi's Reclaiming History. Can you put up Hursts testimony in order to settle who was right, Sanders or Bugliosi?Sanders is right.The first Tate homicide report states exactly what Sanders says in your quote. William I think Doris saw that flag on the couch a couple of days before the murders. He did this throughout the 60s and 70s. Can't shake old ways, he used to say" comments sorted by Best Top New Controversial Q&A Add a Comment CowOwn Additional comment actions That's all. The Manson Family Blog - Tate LaBianca Murders - TLB - True Crime Ill bet Sanders is correct. In fact, it's Bugliosi that brings out the fact that Whitson was with Hatami and his part in all the proceedings is as relevant as any flies that may have been in the office at the time. I traced Whitson online. So he proved his willingness to collude with the Feds. This is a bit off topic. My book is easy to read that's the way I intended it to be and that's why I don't want anyone cutting it up. "I don't know. Chaos reads like a bad spy novel CIA spooks MK Ultra Manchurian candidates really just ridiculousEven the interesting parts such as why Manson's parole was never revoked after all of his arrests for some fairly serious crimes went nowhere we've all heard this before I was hoping maybe the reasons would finally be expained but never where don't waste your money there's plenty of really good book's on the subject I believe my collection on the subject is right around 30 books, The craziest thing is 30 books is just the tip of the iceberg, I'd bet if one of the real experts in the TLB community sat down for a few hours and listed them there would be at least 150, if you added magazine articles, movies, TV specials, musical recordings, podcasts, you'd be at 1000 or more. Extracting Reeve Whitson from this fermentan agent of actual chaos working hard in the shadows of Bugliosi's drug-crazed Helter Skelter psychodramaconstitutes a heroic act of sleuthing.. Anderson was a known handler of CIA operatives after he left government in the early 60s. She didn't go along with it, but she felt it might hurt them if she took it away. bill on Twitter: "Let's talk about Reeve Whitson." / Twitter A.F.S., Colonia Dignidad, von Braun, Kissinger, Ruby, and Giancana are some of the major players. Not now, however. Grim said Another, more serious, error in HS, p. 49, is that it gives the license plate of Parent's car as ZLR 694. Can you put up Hursts testimony in order to settle who was right, Sanders or Bugliosi? He was a close friend of Sebring, Tate and Polanski. William Weston said Hatami also told ONeill that he first heard about the murders from Reeve. Have a nice evening!!! Ha,ha Ms Katie.Maybe for you "life just gets more better and more clearer"but for me?.NEVERMINDlolMario George Nitrini 111-----The OJ Simpson Case. ,fu A+N@Z"1lOE3I1.fna\Yic8$_vm\Q,Q Z c0#%^;xL`770 8T @/ )X G/ It had been there ever since Voityck and Gibby (Abigail Folger) moved in. Krenwinkel did not see the flag on the couch. View the profiles of people named Reeve Whitson on Facebook. Chapter 5 - Amnesia at the L.A. County Sheriff's Office But can you tell me where you read that Mike Deasy attacked Charles Manson with a pitchfork at Spahn's Ranch?I've heard the story online, but where is the original source from what book?Thanks so much. He was a big talker and might have been a bit of Colonel Flagg type, but there is no doubt he had a lot of connections.How Whitson got so close to Bugliosi is strange and helped put pressure on Hatami. The following book about the Nazis, published in 1961 shows this fact on page 1 where the title and name of Reeve Whitson appears. The licensing process for model cars began in 1966 with a Scotsman by the name of Reeve Whitson, the first to establish a company that served as an agent to the racing car manufacturers to license their copyrighted designs to model car makers. Ridgeway was an asshole, there was a great part during his trial where one of his victims father's stands up in open court and forgives him and Gary breaks down weeping uncontrollably, it's heartbreaking on both sides, Beauders in an interesting twist to the Ridgeway/Green River case detectives Dave Riechert and Bob Keppel went to Florida to interview Ted Bundy since alot of his victims were in the same area and killed in similar ways, this was fairly early in the case in 1984 and one of the first things Bundy recommended was staking out a fresh dump site and watch it for a few days and that Ridgeway would be back to interact with the corpse which was one of the hallmarks of Bundy's crimes and was also exactly what Ridgeway was doing. I'd welcome any theories or additional info one may want to share and I'll share the info I have. The man comes across as a narcissistic hypocrite who also is a Mark Fuhrman apologist. "pg200LAPD Sgt Mike McGann, Tate investigator: "He was heavily involved." It might have been more accurate to say that Hatami said the name once and Bugliosi said it three times, but I don't see how O'Neill could have put that in his text without appearing overly pedantic. They were estranged at the time and that was the only way for him to track her. What's very interesting to me is why was Charlie, a career criminal ON PAROLE, repeatedly released when arrested with drugs, prostituting young girls, possession of stolen property, speeding and leaving the state. Let's try Whit Reevson. Is there a pic with the couch with a flag?I can look, but I have to say, I'm just exhausted and will retire for the night.And don't nobody say "yeah". He's mentioned in the trial, and was known to have worked with Paul Tate post murders. Chapter 8 - The Lawyer Swap Podcast Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA A conspiracy-laden account of the Manson murders - Bookforum (For his part, in an interview with Mr.Hatami while researching this book, Hatami told me he has no memory at all of Manson coming to the front door of Cielo Drive, but that the memory was suggested to him by an investigator named Reeve Whitson, who worked for both Col.Paul Tate and the prosecutor Vince Bugliosi. Oh Mario I wasn't even talking about you! However, it's important not to make the same mistake some make with Charles Manson and ascribe responsibility for every dodgy activity that took place within a given span and vest them with superhuman powers. He was not very intelligent an IQ around 85 he was a savant to murder instinctively knew how to kill and get rid of bodies. He'd get arrested, that's all.That makes absolutely no senseIt makes abundant sense. Grim said,The most immediate thing to notice is that Hatami only mentions Whitson once and even then, only because he's asked who he came to Bugliosi's office with. Reeve Whitson (1931 - 1994) - Biography and Family Tree - AncientFaces officials, KKK, Satanists, Dixie Mafia, Project Bluebird, and MKULTRA, Lookout Mt. He also confirmed a detail from Ed Sanders' "The Family" that Melcher had let him borrow his Jaguar for the long drive to UkiahThis might be high tension wire drama.were it not for the fact that this has been public record since 1971. And it just so happens to be from a case that has given rise to so many alternative theories and conspiracies and not a great deal of consensus about anything. Anybody on parole would be arrested immediately and sent back to prison. According to Sanders, p. 197, Hurst came between 6:30 and 7:00. %PDF-1.7 % A:Yes, I dictated a conversation and under the disclosure order I gave you a copy of my conversation with HatamiQ:I am taliking about when you were vis-a-visA:No, there was no one else there, just Reeves Witson, myself and Mr. Hatami, no other reporter thereQ:Like the court reporter here? Folger was a former intelligence officer during WWII and maintained those contacts long after the war. Friday, September 6, 2019 Reeve Whitson William writes: In Tom O'Neill's book Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties we learn about Reeve Whitson, a CIA agent disguised as a hippie. All the other times he is mentioned by Bugliosi.Going back to the point about Whitson suggesting the memory of Manson being the one that Sharon looked at that day back in March '69, Hatami has always been consistent ~ he has no recollection of ever seeing Manson in the flesh. She knew that the others were making fun of the flag, of the establishment. I wouldn't believe a word that came out of his mouth. As I said on the other blog, the other day I hate Bittaker with a passion. That = A BUM! What I would prefer mr oneill to do is to line item compare ALLL OF THE PROSECUTORIAL BS BOGEYLOSER PUT FORTH BY PUTTING OUT ANOTHER BOOK USING REAL PROCEDURALS FOUND IN COURT (WESTLAW IS BONO FIDE) ALLOWING THE REAAL STUDIOUS TO JUDGE OR ANALYSE FOR THEMSELVES, BECAUSE IF YOURE AT ALL SWAYED IN THE LEAST BY "HELTER SKELTER" YOU ARENT VERY INTUITIVE ANYWAY. Yeah, look I can see Whitson as a very bit player in the whole saga but as some Matt Damon Bourne Supremacy operative, not while the grass is green and the sky is blue. C'mon Grim, you know better.And for my legal reasons and MORE, I comment & blog a certain way.So, with that said, I hope you & your family are doing well Grim.And yes, you have defended me in the past(Thank you).Mario George Nitrini 111----The OJ Simpson Case. I also was conscious of not rehashing and repeating myself, especially when many of the issues that were brought up, I'd commented on endlessly over the past 4 years. "Speaking of Linkletter, Whitson introduced them to the more famous father:A Strange and Wild Place, by Sandra Macpherson c.2004pg211"Alistair and his wife had come across Reeve while they were in America, and were introduced to well-respected and known individuals, who were also caught up in Reeve's vision. I've been researching the activities of an old friend's father back in the Laurel Canyon days. This whole ONeill book thing is a collection of tin hat conspiracy bullshitThat, Dave, is being pretty generous.It sounds like Shreck writ large but without the 900+ pages. 8. He's scared to die now that he's in he's eighties, so I don't see him killing himself. Whitson could have gone into the house after Manson and his partner left, perhaps to perform necessary but mundane tasks such as removing bugs from the telephone and/or other places before the police arrivedAnd got in a quick call to Hatami !Well, for 50 years, we've had a sackful of those that were "supposed" to be at Cielo that night. What kind of honest, upstanding man does that with his daughter?If you want to point fingers at child molesters, go ahead, but I think a special finger should be pointed at a father who farms his own daughter out to child molesters!! However, I am not disputing O'Neill's sources. That sounds like a made up name. Shortly after his arrival, the town became the epicenter of a shocking event that almost wrecked the Democratic Party's effort to win back the White House. 139 0 obj <>stream The first car he asked about was Abigail's. I would love to publish my book but I wrote it a certain way and don't want it to be cut up amd I don't want to be sued. I remember reading that Moorehouse molested his daughtersIf there's one thing I've come to realize in regard to TLB and other matters of such complexity that have attracted much thought, controversy, speculation and revision, it's that the phrase "I read somewhere" or "I remember reading/seeing somewhere" is one that is fraught with pitfalls because it's almost used as a barometer of the truth of the matter whereas in actuality, it could mean anything, something or nothing at all. And, remember, I'm a skeptic who applied critical thinking to every claim in the book. starviego saidI am now thinking those items were planted at the scene to subtly demonize the victims and to enable police to go off on their sham 'drug burn' diversion.I agree. I have the trial transcripts and Rudi Altobelli confirms the dates of who moved in and out and when and who was in the main and guest houses between Melcher's departure and the Polanskis arrival. He is mentioned several times in the papers and documents of Robert B. Anderson, who was Eisenhower's Deputy Secretary of Defense and then his Treasury Secretary. The Tate-LaBianca Homicide Research Blog: Reeve Whitson He got a call from Reeve Whitson at 7:00 in the morning, a full NINETY minutes before Winifred Chapman arrived at the Cielo houseAnd he didn't report this to the Police ? 'We were introduced to Art Linklater, and we were also given tickets for a show by Reeve, where, during the interval, we met Andrew Lloyd Webber and Sarah Brightman backstage in their dressing room,' Alistair told me. I actually have been checking in most days since May. I certainly wouldn't play the game of being a tease but if I did, I wouldn't be irritated if people didn't take what I said with any great seriousness. He (O'Neill) said nothing to that effect. Melcher moved out in January '69 and the day after he moved out, Moorehouse was sent to prison for selling acid ~ he'd been found guilty on Dec 17th '68.The interesting thing about the Hearst times in "HS" is that both in terms of the police report and the court testimony, what is given in the book is inaccurate but not exactly uncheckable and not of earth shattering proportions. What can anyone remember about a place they went yesterday, and I mean detail specific ? As soon as they got home, Abigail spoke to her mother on the phone around 10:00.