There was no Whole Foods, or organic seed, fertilizers, etc. Ill be back to respond to it when I can. Is Garden of Life owned by Monsanto? In hindsight, I should not have taken the time to do so, I was rushing. Also, this isn't meant as an attack on anyone here or their opinions. This just isn't true. If you have some opinion on GMO seeds, on Monsanto, or other companies producing GMO seeds, or the preservation of non GMO seeds, which are the topic of this thread, then perhaps you might share that in concise and direct language and leave out the rest. And to report something that is fearful, is 'using fear as a weapon'? Nature has a non-aligned editorial board and attempts to be on the cutting edge of gold-standard research in the public's interest. When you infer (incorrectly) I could be labeling you, you miss the foundation of my point, which is that anti-Monsanto preachers and Monsanto marketers are a false dichotomy (a.k.a., an exclusion of the middle) and my context is that I will not succumb to either rhetorical extreme (faith-based or money-based). Sorry. Soon many more garden seed companies bought from not only Burpee but also from Petoseed, companies as diverse as Ferry-Morse, Park's, Gurney's, Johnny's, Northrup King and Comstock-Ferre. 0000509934 00000 n I will not boycott good seed companies because Monsanto owns them. Pupilla - Not following you. Thanks your thoughts prarie. I cannot support misleading people for political ends. It is hard to avoid them though when they are buying up companies left and right. I read the Wiki synopsis of the film and it reports that Indias farmers dispute claims that Monsantos crops require less pesticide or produce higher yields. I gave you a link to what I thought an realistic assessment on it from National Geographic, too where some concerns are mentioned. In the 1950s a resourceful gardener from Norway invented the Jiffypot, a biodegradable planting pot made from compressed peat that can be transplanted with the plant. Without pioneers in the field of biotechnology, we would still be battling diabetes with insulin taken from slaughterhouse animals. Similarly, Monsanto has the rights to Better Boy, one of my regular tomatoes. I expect the same good faith from you.. However, after doing this research, I have bought my last Ferry Morse seed packet. My main objection to the combination of "GMO AND Monsanto" debate as you have presented is two-fold. And a few comments later, you said you were not looking for an argument, but I dispute that statement. Reduce their power and influence by buying from people who are trustworthy and interested in keeping the food supply unadulterated. Once of the great things about capitalism is that we can vote with our buying patterns. Find My Store. We all want this, right? I am not here to play games with words or be tripped up or trip anyone up. And this is just one example of you analyzing my contributions to the discussion. We later expanded the catalog to include peppers and eggplant since they are in the same plant family as tomatoes. As for the people who rely on the government and regulatory agencies to protect them, I'd say that putting all your faith in the government for ANYTHING is living in a fools paradise. If you really believe that your side of this conversation represents staying on the original subject as much as possible, than you did the best you could. 5.0 out of 5 stars . --, if I must only bow to Anti-Monsanto preachers or Monsanto marketers.. No real surprise there. The people who are against Monsanto aren't doing their cause any favors by spreading misinformation and the few articles I have read about the issue have been written by people who clearly have an agenda that isn't informing the public, but it to rally people to their cause by any means necessary. Infowars, the site where the article came from, is not at all what I would consider an unbiased source of information. I looked and this is the one Mother Earth News article that I was thinking of in particular. You seem to still want to believe that GMO seed may not be such a bad thing. Period. Two people posted about two seed companies on the list. Their small Co-op is struggling with just these kind of decisions. I know you won't like all my replies but I don't want you to think I am ignoring anything. 0000492812 00000 n Anyway, let me try again.without going back to reread the thread again. Really, a good rule of thumb is that if an article criticizing GMOs doesn't mention DuPont or Syngenta, they really don't know what they are talking about. How did we get to this point? The Associated Seed Growers, Inc. ("Asgrow") was formed in 1927 when seed competitors Everett B. Clark Seed Co., John H. Allen Seed Co., and N.B. What does my belief have to do with it? ASM198 - Since the Infowars site is unreliable, I went looking for reliable sources and tried to think what I consider reliable. More selfish motives that ignore what is good for mankind or the natural world, in general. On time delivery of my seeds. Territorial is also good, just to throw another vote on them too. I still do not know what the truth is about what happened in India so it is not possible to discuss it at all, but obviously something very negative happened in India and I would have preferred if you gave a balanced explanation of why you felt that link was incorrect, instead of stating that it was completely debunked, as if that completely clears GMOs and Monsanto from any wrong doing in India. Consumers have a lot of power that they are not using to support good companies and stop supporting bad companies. ~ Are you not against any of the things that Monsanto has done or is doing? If any of that information is inaccurate, maybe someone on this thread can point out what it is. 2023 Plantation Products, LLC, dba Green Garden Products. Thanks for bringing them to my attention. - Do you realize that the dictionary definition to call someone out is to challenge someone to a fight? Organic vegetable seeds? I also have many other heirloom tomatoes which I enjoy too, and I am happy with the current GMO-free assortment of interesting heirlooms and faithful hybrids I get dependable results growing and are delicious. -- and what I said, which was that getting the word out produces an awareness of GMOs as an issue. I agree with you, it is an emotional issue, so sticking to facts and trying to say no less and no more than what you mean is important, just not always easy to do. Founded in 1856, Ferry-Morse seeds have been sold continuously in the United States. I've made an attempt to at least present some links to what should be reliable sources of information. 0000020325 00000 n . You seem to feel that what you have to say is much more important than anything I have to say. Which seed companies are owned by Monsanto? - IronSet There's plenty of it. hb`````pd&03EY8zT'00a@,d/Dy ) d|HXDh+3&0%18?`aeT,&1gh)smi`8pIni`!ah k\w'@w06` Y0:tcr4#0 3: endstream endobj 575 0 obj <>/Filter/FlateDecode/Index[28 494]/Length 39/Size 522/Type/XRef/W[1 1 1]>>stream Thanks for the reply and summarizing your GMO fears and beliefs, and how that contributes to your actions. No. 0000492971 00000 n Better to leave the door open! If you want to avoid using GMO seeds, here is a list of seed companies owned by Monsanto. What can I personally do about it? Because, after the Seminis buyout, Territorial and others were purchasing some seeds from a Monsanto subsidiary, some really nasty rumors got started that Territorial, Johnny's and others are owned by Monsanto. Here is a link to an article about it on the Huffington Post, http://www.huffingtonpost.com/leslie-hassler/bitter-seeds-documentary_b_2155970.html. You're right there are plenty of companies competing for worst company status. Are you not against any of the things that Monsanto has done and is doing? Vegetables Seeds - Ferry-Morse Home Gardening | Since 1856 Hi Molanic - Yes, I'm glad they are not truncating long posts any more. Whose goal is to"Advance the ethical development and stewardship of the genetic resources of agricultural seed.". Ferry-Morse Basil Sweet Italian Herb Plant Seeds (1 Pack) - Seed Gardening, Full Sun. About Ferry-Morse. Monsanto owned seed brands OWNED BY MONSANTO OR SEMINIS OR SELL SMALL It is like watching supermarkets (Big Ag) swallow up the local produce markets (Kramer's Corner Peach Shop), and then either take control over and frequently discontinue products I like. The most cited scientific journal on the planet takes the space to publish peer review a 270,000 figure and debunks it as a myth which is false and shows absolutely no correlation. 0000489481 00000 n Ed and I briefly went back and forth about the original article and I made a simple comment that I was always glad when GMO was brought to the attention of the public for the benefit of those who are unaware of it, which I've already apologized for not making clear enough. I choose to evaluate products on a case by case basis rather than be preached to by articles (such as the info one that started this thread) or lobbies (such as those sponsored by lawyers on both sides, or lobbies). A List of Some Seed Companies Owned by Monsanto Or Sell Monsanto And I do not favor a boycott, but rather the other side of the coin. Still any article or post or thread that criticizes GMO is a good thing to me, because it gets the word out. Ferry Morse Seed Company is one of America's oldest and most trusted garden seed companies. I have a hard time with that because the tomatoes are innocent varieties that were developed before GM veggie products were even on the market. I put your complete, and in context quote in your original words above my reply. The 1906 earthquake demolished the firm's facilities, but they quickly moved to temporary space in San Francisco, and the company bought out Cox Seed and Plant. I imagine there are many people who have stock funds that they don't even know have these stocks in them. Now look how long the post got, but no matter, you have honest reply to at least everything here. If you are attempting to correct something that you believe is misleading about someone's post, than do so. Ferry & Co. [ edit] Ferry seed catalog for 1900 And if it is a fact, that due to the way in which Monsanto was allowed to introduce GMO cotton seed in India, that there is now no non GMO seed available there, then how do we unring that bell? 0000010754 00000 n You are so right. This is just disrespectful. Their catalog is a wealth of information. It's a conspiracy theory website and anyone can post articles there. You see diseases developing, like the Citrus Greening disease, and you think, wellmaybe GMO and Monsanto will rescue us from these. Unless you are saying that all information that is critical of Monsanto is false. Jiffy created another industry breakthrough with the Jiffy pellet. Thats a pretty negative view of people who you dont agree with. The Ferry-Morse Seed Company is a supplier of seeds, and was at one time the largest such company in the world. Thank you for the link to Seed Alliance, that was encouraging. As of 2005 Ferry Morse is owned by Jiffy, makers of the Jiffy starter kits and based in Norway. Youve said twice you consider yourself an independent thinker. You entered the conversation challenging the idea of boycotting GMO seeds. The plant is often grown in flooded paddies, but it can only survive for about 3 days under water. Is Jung Seed owned by Monsanto? - Tonyajoy.com After the ovule has ripened, seeds are the product. You would have saved us both a lot of time. I am not an evangelist, simply a critical thinker who keeps their faith to themselves and encourages others to respect the belief of all just not to manipulate others with the sort of false, misleading & manipulative, and incomplete information which activists on both artificially created poles routinely are doing. The title of the list is bogus. A 200' pier ran out into Lake Charlevoix. Some seed companies try to keep their (conventional) breeding programs going and this is hard because of all the high tech involved in today's breeding. ~ GMOs dont seem to concern you is that right? About Ferry Morse Seeds - GardenersNet.Com We are both very detail minded, wanting precise meaning of words used, not enjoying being misunderstood triggering lengthy explanations. Ferry Morse has been trusted by home gardeners since 1856. I don't want to win, I want to learn from you. Certainly enough to raise concern for anyone willing to consider it and have a starting point to better understand it.". Negative: On Jun 26, 2014, . Hummingbird Wildflower Mix Flower Seed. I do not consider it more honorable or more negative to be either. It is sort of intended as an "open source", freely distributed GMO introduction going on in Florida right now. I have to agree with PC's comment from May 10th which says: "I disagree that a better understanding of 'an issue' is gotten by simply'getting the word out' with such low quality, false and misleadinginformation with an agenda behind it described above as fear-mongering.". I have selected one or two only at a time to respond to and even with those I have written at least as many, but I think plenty more words than you. Ferry-Morse - Flower Seeds - Plant Seeds - The Home Depot All McKenzie seeds are 100% Non-GMO. As a result, Ferry-Morse has earned the trust and respect of retailers and home gardeners across the country. This is just a winter sowing forum where people don't come to receive inaccurate information in order to 'convert' them to some belief system. :-). Any talk of avoiding the seeds for purchase is circular logic intended to manipulate people by bullying them and using fear as a weapon. And I don't feel any need to defend my complete dislike of Monsanto and what they are about. The Ferry-Morse Seed Company is a supplier of seeds, and was at one time the largest such company in the world. :-)". Thanks for providing me a second look at it. Atlee Burpee & Co. Burpee is NOT owned by Monsanto. It is also false to say non-GM cotton is not available in India. Look at how they closed down the Seeds of Change organic farm after they bought it. That is the scariest part to me too. You detail your beliefs, and I respect everyone's beliefs , especially yours, whether your beliefs are religiously-based, socially-based, or logically-based. All Seeds of Change seeds are 100% Organic and 100% Non-GMO. This year, I also ordered seed from Johnny's seed. I provided eight links and you ignored seven. Remember there are 2 American seed company's. One is owned by Plantation products and seeds and the other by the GMO pesticide company Monsanto. And you are right, we're probably not putting a dent in their bottom line. I assumed good faith on your part and I accept you have a differing point of view, and I would not introduce the possibility of ulterior motive on your part for that! 0000002615 00000 n ], To clarify - I believe there are still many people who are unaware of GMOs and what they are, so whenever that subject comes up, it makes people at least aware of it. There was one woman who was so completely misinformed about the subject that she was worried that the Miracle-Gro potting mix she bought was GMO. and adding if I must only bow to your statement, you have increased the negativity of what you said. of the world, it is not an issue of trust for me as much as supporting seed company diversity. That coincided with my first efforts to begin gardening and their organic, 'love the earth' approach was like a life line. One of them I am confused by, and in the other one you say, I'll address first, starting with your quotes which relate to similar questions about me and my issues: " Are these smaller seed companies you are concerned for, owned by Monsanto? And if you did not want to, then why did you find the one link that you disagreed with and respond to only that? Not Monsanto, nor any company it owns or any company it has ever owned, will sell you GMO seeds. Dr. Thomson was forever proud of his Worlds Fair Gold Medal in Science and Industry awarded to SUPERthrive in 1940. Business of the company continually increased for some time, until January 1, 1886, when a disastrous fire demolished the company's warehouse with the loss of near $1,000,000. A movie (or someone else) comes up with some terrible conspiracy theory sort of plot. That was not the complete information I was looking for. :-). You already said it is an emotional issue for you and you think it is 1000% wrong. Monsanto will not sell GMO seeds to the Home Gardener. First of all, you dont know that. And is it inaccurate to say that Monsanto does produce GMO seeds and that is their main goal? Which by the way, you don't actually know is true, unless some lab somewhere is doing random testing on the seed sold by Monsanto seed companies. Why buy from a company that you can't trust? I think that is the best way to influence others to try organic growing and get to the point where a company like Syngenta has no market. [11], In 2005, Groupe Limagrain sold Ferry-Morse to Jiffy International. And is that the only such story about the effects of Monsanto and their seeds and the biotech seed field? 0000001737 00000 n Where you don't trust Monsanto Dupont, Syngenta, Bayer, BASF and Dow, etc. Is there any way to stop getting notifications of this topic? I'm sure I have done my share of that, too. Over the years, the stocking evolved into high-tech netting that provides roots with the optimum amount of air and water. While most companies have a life span of 50-60 years, the average age of our brands is 122 years! Find My Store. I said this topic was an emotional issue for everyone, not just me. The original article is trash (but not the underlying subject), not because I say so, but because it is filled with omissions and inconsistencies as nailed by Ed & Rodney. I bought them last year and it was so convenient not to have to search all over the place for some of the items. It is currently part of Green Garden Products, a privately owned gardening company based in Massachusetts. I trust them, that they are on the same page as I am about protecting the seed supply from Genetically modified seed. There is so much common ground between us, it can easily become eclipsed by the emotions surrounding this issue. It is from the Jan 2015 issue and talks about sourcing high quality seeds. The end result: faster and stronger growth resulting in higher yields. Bottom Line to me is why give Monsanto more power? 0000010117 00000 n Syngenta - This is the first I am hearing about it. Anyone that is interested in what they are up to, can easily find that information. 3. seedsNOW That is pretty depressing. 0000535956 00000 n A marketer and a preacher are two even handed words in my vocabulary. It is my assumption that they are losing money on home garden seeds since production has to cost them more than their tiny sales, and they just keep it going so no one accuses them of discontinuing popular American tomato varieties. And this is actually your version of limiting the scope of your discussion to only what was relative? Not all seeds are heirloom seeds. There is a present and significant danger that the $10 billion citrus industry in Florida will be destroyed and the best solution so far is a GMO project going on. [10], In 1981, Ferry-Morse became part of France's Groupe Limagrain, the largest seed producer in the world. Plenty of organic seed and NO GMO seed. You call this a debate and I object to the use of that term. False is false. Im not an expert on Monsanto. ", Pupilla, it doesn't surprise me, that I made such an unclear statement last night, I was up past my bedtime. Go back and look at the first three comments made in 2015. I am comfortable with my reply, and understand where you are coming from. Ferry-Morse. 0000001396 00000 n As a Floridian, I am concerned that conventional breeding of oranges will not save the Florida orange industry from Citrus Greening disease in time (or at all) and "a day without Florida orange juice for me is like a day without sunshine". Worse then Phillip-Morris, which in addition to selling tobacco, has been cited for child labor? The crop employs nearly a third of the worlds population. And since I definitely fall on one side of this issue, I can only conclude, that you see me as 'trying to manipulate others with false, misleading, manipulative and incomplete information.'? This link gives an explanation of their position on Monsanto and GMO seeds: http://www.fedcoseeds.com/seeds/monsanto.htm. At SEEDS OF CHANGE, we believe in the power of plants, which is why weve pledged to not only put more plants on the table, but also to put more in the ground. Besides which my overall choice to garden organically was made over 30 years ago, and open pollinated and non GMO seeds just fits right in with that point of view for me. 0000020576 00000 n Seed Companies Owned by Monsanto or Sells Monsanto's Seeds Seed Companies who are either owned by Monsanto or sell Monsanto products. Others have posted that the link is on some random site that makes no effort to insure quality information and that anyone can post anything they want, no matter how misleading, inaccurate or incomplete it is. Ferry-Morse. I can hear that you are torn, but I am not having that problem at all. [2] They are trying to sensationalize things through scare tactics, in my opinion. I get it, you are a critical thinker, and independent thinker and a very detail oriented thinker. Not relevant enough. Since Ive been too busy responding to your comments, Ive yet to read where the India situation was debunked. Do you usually answer questions with yes or no answers? As a matter of fact, I don't even find it clear and understandable. They are intended only to understand why farmers in India use Bt cotton. To learn from a debate my partner needs to provide quality information. Pupilla - I just saw this response. With one fell swoop in 2005, Monsanto grabbed approximately 40% of the US vegetable seed market with its acquisition of Seminis. A.W. Again, you opened up the discussion of GMO when you challenged the idea of boycotting GMO seed companies. Where are you all buying your seeds online? I need to switch - Reddit
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