I further argue that the central concern of the two philosophical personae in the passage Zhuangzi and Huizi is not with the epistemic standards of human judgements (the established view since Hansen, The Relatively Happy Fish), but with the more basic problem of species-specific perspectives. Huizi and Zhuangzi about gourds; the story of Cook Ding (sometimes called Butcher Ding); and the story of Wheelwright Pian. The Zhuangzi presentation of Hui Shis views concludes: He had many perspectives and his library would fill five carts but his doctrine was selfcontradictory. Do you divert the trolley or not? This is the dialectical nature of the universe we discussed in the previous analysis, a nature that runs to the bottom of existence itself. This kind of tree will resist wind and disease better than the more uniform trees of the plantation forest. A Didactic Annotation to the Zhuangzi . WebAnother storyHuizi and Zhuangzi about gourds starts when the king of Weis large gourdgives Huizi gourd seeds. 16Piggy-backing on this, after a clear question is raised through the thought experiment, there is often a claim being advanced by the originator of the experiment. <>>> 2013. %PDF-1.5 Beyond the Troubled Water of Shifei: From Disputation to Walking-Two-Roads in the Zhuangzi. Anarchist Anthropology, Happy Fish, and Translation On Anger: An Essay on Confucian Moral Psychology. In Returning to Zhu Xi: Emerging Patterns within the Supreme Polarity, edited by David Jones and Jinli He. 1985. Les vres de Matre Tchouang. Correspondence to If thats so, then its not helpful in informing us about what to do in the real-world case, and now we have two problem cases instead of one.12 He also implies that the difficult features of the actual case that were selectively removed might in fact be relevant in terms of what we ought to do in the actual case. Zhuang Zi . A New Examination of Evidence about the Zhuangzi. Toung Pao 96.4/5: 299369. Again on Qing: With a Translation of the Guodian Xing Zi Ming Chu. Oriens Extremus 47: 97159. Different disciplines have their different tools for doing so. 2003. In this article we focus on the famous dialogue between Zhuangzi and Huizi concerning the question whether or not ren (in particular the shengren ) have qing . He went on to plant these seeds when they grew too large to be able towater them, he decided to smash them into pieces instead. A snare is for rabbits: when youve got the rabbit, you can forget the snare. 2019. So I smashed them.2. Provided by the Springer Nature SharedIt content-sharing initiative, Over 10 million scientific documents at your fingertips, Not logged in The Tradition of Emotive Writing in the Zhuangzi and Its Echoes in Later Generations. Frontiers of Philosophy in China 10.3: 340352. This engenders in him an arrogance which in turn leads him to believe that that which makes sense to him is necessarily correct. Schipper, Kristofer, trans. Leiden: Brill. What he doesnt realize is that it is his own potential which he is smashing. . Chuang-Tzu: The Inner Chapters. Furthermore, in giving voice to such an odd character, Zhuangzi could be challenging those of us who have a problem with unusual transformations happening to us to have a looser grip on our expectations in life. In Les pres du systme Taoste. ______, trans. The Unskilled Zhuangzi: Big and Useless and Not So Zhuangzis Doctrine of No-Emotion (pre-production draft). 13 Roy Sorensen 1992 has a discussion of several criticisms on the use of thought experiments, stories, and intuition pumps, as Daniel Dennett calls them. Watson, Burton, trans. Taipei : Shijie Shuju ; http://www.terebess.hu/english/chuang.html (last accessed on October 12, 2020). Ziporyn, Brook, trans. We do see that philosophers use the thought experiments to align themselves with particular positions (e.g., non-physicalism, utilitarianism, weak artificial intelligence, etc.) He presupposes the correctness of his own logic, and when the world shows him that he is incorrect, say through his failure to actualize some potential, he takes this as evidence that the world is incorrect. Jackson, F., 1986, What Mary didnt know, Journal of Philosophy, 83: 291-295. Huizi And Zhuangzi 23 This is uncharacteristic of Western thought experiments where the philosopher presents the imagined case and then discusses what it implies. 4This paper has two main sections. Monica Link, Anecdotes and thought experiments in Zhuangzi and Western philosophy ,Rivista di estetica, 72|2019, 7-18. How extraordinary of the maker of things to knot me up like this. Such is the happiness of fish. Huizi said, You are not a fish, so whence do you know the happiness of fish? Hui Tzu10 said to Chuang Tzu, "The king of Wei gave me some seeds of a huge gourd. The vehicle of story makes Zhuangzi memorable for sure who can forget the idea of someones arm turning into a rooster? Once a conclusion has been reached, the presupposer in question rejects all evidence which contradicts his premises. 1889. A Complete Translation of the Zhuangzi [in modern Chinese] . Xu, Bing . Wang Bi and Xuanxue. In Dao Companion to Daoist Philosophy, edited by Xiaogan Liu. Our hypothetical logician has forgotten that for an argument to be sound the premises must be true and they must follow to the conclusion. The Legend Behind Zongzi - Artifacts Journal Beijing : Zhonghua Shuju . Qin, Xuqing , and Sun Yongchang , trans. Guo, Xiang , and Cheng Xuanying , annot. Thats what fish really enjoy!. The thought experiments here and conclusions about the imaginary cases are taken to help defend a certain stance (e.g., against utilitarianism, against strong artificial intelligence) that the philosopher wants to take. First, we demonstrate that, while Huizi probably understands qing as something like feelings or emotions, Zhuangzis view is that having qing is connected 1920. Chapter One ends with Zhuangzi Our text offers three additional examples: Nie Ques conversation with Wang Ni; Huizi and Zhuangzi about gourds; the story of Cook Ding (sometimes called Butcher Ding); and the story of Wheelwright Pian. Emotion and Agency in Zhuangzi. Asian Philosophy: An International Journal of the Philosophical Traditions of the East 21.1: 97121. Emotions and Genuineness in Chinese Native Thinking: A Response to Graham and Hansen ():. Journal of Beijing Youth Politics College 14.1: 4852. Sometimes the human beings are normal human beings, but they are involved in highly unusual situations. Sometimes he offers a direct commentary on a certain character or view; other times he doesnt. 11As mentioned before, Dancy explains that sometimes we come up with an imaginary case because its relevantly similar to an actual case, but the imaginary case is easier for us to think through. Feng, Youlan, trans. Did you know that with a free Taylor & Francis Online account you can gain access to the following benefits? 22The above stories show that sometimes Zhuangzi is forthright on what he thinks about a certain creature, human or otherwise. All Is Well in the Great Mess. Great gourd , stink tree ), By doing nothing one can accomplish everything. Even if we are confident about what to do in an imaginary case, the criticism has been raised that thought experiments dont actually reflect a truth about reality; rather, they just reflect our beliefs about reality13. You asked me how I know what fish enjoy so you already knew I knew it when you asked the question. Leiden: Brill. Dancy, J., 1985, The role of imaginary cases in ethics, Pacific Philosophical Quarterly, 66: 141-153. Zhuangzi What a habit, to obliterate possibility and potential in the mind out of bitterness and arrogance. Si, L , trans. Chinese and Western philosophy in dialogue, Anecdotes and thought experiments in Zhuangzi and Western philosophy. 8One hallmark of thought experiments is that they involve stretching ones imagination for a time in order to imagine either an unusual human, an unusual situation, or both. There is a question in the literature about whether Zhuangzi is more of a relativist or a skeptic15, and it is often hard to pin down what his own stance positive stance is, if he has one. 29I will end with one of my favorite passages in the Zhuangzi, from chapter 26 in which he writes, a trap is for fish: when youve got the fish, you can forget the trap. The video below (Flight from the Shadow) is an example of the type of teaching he engaged in. Do computers understand things the way humans do? This curiosity about the man behind the story I will return to later. Guiyang : Guizhou Renmin Chubanshe . ______, trans. As we learned with Socrates, Plato and Aristotle, philosophy has Insofar as these are aims in philosophy, Zhuangzi might do better in prompting these in his reader than one who puts forth a self-standing thought experiment advancing a particular thesis. They were great friends who enjoyed debating and discussing many matters. ______. Huizi, aka Hui Shi, was a representative of the School of Names. 1981/2001. 1985. 1928/1989. Bryan Van Norden and Philip Ivanhoe write of Zhuangzi saying, rather than delivering a message, the Zhuangzi seems to go out of its way to defy understanding. 2014. Even though the lessons are in story form, that doesnt mean that they are easy to decipher. Watson, Burton, trans. 5Thought experiments have long been used in philosophy as a way to raise questions or pursue knowledge through considering hypothetical situations. Afterwards, one leaves behind the fantastical elements of the thought experiment and is just left with a proposition about human morality, epistemology, etc. One could, for example, think here of Zhuangzis famous butterfly dream that concludes chapter 2 of the Zhuangzi or of his testimony about his reaction to his wifes death in chapter 18. 2005. Daoism: Laozi and Zhuangzi. In World Philosophy, edited by Jay L. Garfield and William Edelglass. WebZhuangzi, or Chuang-tzu, (born c. 369, Meng, Chinadied 286 bce), Most significant early Chinese interpreter of Daoism and the purported author of the Daoist classic that bears Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. 8 Jackson has actually since changed his position on the thesis of physicalism and he no longer thinks its false. Forthcoming. I have never learned as quickly or as enjoyably as I do now on LingQ. For example, Robert Nozick imagines a machine that can give a person whatever experiences she desires.16 While in this Experience Machine the person will really feel the pleasure of those experiences and will not know that its all just a simulation. https://doi.org/10.1007/s11712-020-09765-6, DOI: https://doi.org/10.1007/s11712-020-09765-6. 2010. 25 One could, for example, think here of Zhuangzis famous butterfly dream that concludes chapter 2 of the Zhuangzi or of his testimony about his reaction to his wifes death in chapter 18. Albany: State University of New York Press. 1994. 3 0 obj 4 This admittedly is a different kind of similarity, one involving the similar effect of a thought experiment or story. Sheesh! Shun, Kwong-loi. Lenehan, Katia. 2013. The Complete Work of the Zhuangzi . Zhuangzi. New York: Bantam Books. Van Norden, B., 1996, Competing interpretations of the inner chapters of the Zhuangzi, Philosophy East West, University of Hawaii Press. new essays on wine, taste, philosophy and aesthetics, arte, psicologia e realismo. Nozick, R., 1974,Anarchy, State, and Utopia, New York, Basic Books. For one, the hypothetical thought experiment involves a situation or type of person that is often simplified and underdescribed, meaning we might not know in the imagined case what the right thing to do is. The Drunkards And The Tavern A Poem by Rumi, An illustrated ebook of Vigyan Bhairav Tantra translated by Lakshman Joo. Part of Springer Nature. Sartres gnarly tree root and Zhuangzi endobj To smash it into pieces is to say, This thing is just a waste of space and a frustration for me. Must? WebZongzi ( Chinese: ) or simply zong (Cantonese Jyutping: zung2) is a traditional Chinese rice dish made of glutinous rice stuffed with different fillings and wrapped in bamboo Eno, Robert, trans. I planted them, and when they grew, the fruit was a yard across. Although many of the anecdotes in the Zhuangzi would fail to count as good thought experiments, the very reasons they fail might be exactly what Zhuangzi intends in order to promote philosophical reflection and wonder. 1993. 25Because with Zhuangzi its not always clear what is being asked, or what position he is advocating, readers start to wonder about the man behind the stories, entertaining questions such as: What kind of philosopher is Zhuangzi? And like Zhuangzis creative innovation, turning a gourd into a boat, the greater, higher man recreates what is possible for himself. Liu, Xiaogan. 2004. Albany: State University of New York Press. In this article we focus on the famous dialogue between Zhuangzi and Huizi concerning the question whether or not ren (in particular the shengren ) have qing . Perhaps Zhuangzi would affirm Master Chariot for being so free. Giles, Herbert A., trans. Feeling in Zhuangzi: From Joy to Serenity. In Expressions of States of Mind in Asia, edited by Paolo Santangelo. Zhuangzi, the Taoist philosopher, lived in. Learn more about Institutional subscriptions. Daoism: Laozi and Zhuangzi. In World Philosophy, edited by Jay L. Garfield and William Edelglass. With Zhuangzi, however, its not clear that understanding his stories is supposed to lead us back to some aspect of human life. It only seems useless to you because you want to turn it into something else and dont know how to appreciate it for what it is. 2 0 obj There is no neutral fence on which to sit, but neither is there land immune to the shifting sands of the constantly changing universe. Das wahre Buch vom sdlichen Bltenland. Abstract On a prima facia reading, Zhuangzi seems to endorse some form of skepticism or relativism. 2015. Wheres the problem? you might be wondering. Were There Inner Chapters in the Warring States? Huizi and Zhuangzi about gourds; the story of Cook Ding (sometimes called Butcher Ding); and the story of Wheelwright Pian. The Unskilled Zhuangzi: Big and Useless and Not So The Asian master of wit and storytelling is the Daoist, Zhuangzi (sometimes spelled Chuang-Tzu). In Readings in Classical Chinese Philosophy, edited by Philip J. Ivanhoe and Bryan W. Van Norden. Eifring, Halvor. 2Reading Zhuangzi one encounters anecdotes that are not quite the same as a classic Western thought experiment, and yet there are several similarities we might note. If there werent other places where Zhuangzi seems to poke fun at so many people and schools of thought, arguably including Daoist thought,24 then we could be more confident in making a straightforward conclusion about what Zhuangzi likely thinks of Master Chariots all-embracing and arguably excited attitude towards his dramatically changing body and life. Even though the lessons are in story form, that doesnt mean that they are easy to decipher. 2003. You . A logical analysis of the debate on Hao River - Taylor & Francis Zhuangzi Zhongguancun 59, Haidian District, Beijing, 100872, China, Hoger Instituut voor Wijsbegeerte, KU Leuven, Kardinaal Mercierplein 2, 3000, Leuven, Belgium, You can also search for this author in He Roth, Harold D. 1991. Ma, L., van Brakel, J. Revisiting the Exchange between Zhuangzi and Huizi on Qing. Feng, Youlan, trans. One reason Fraser, Chris. Zhuangzi and Huizi were strolling along the bridge over the Hao River. WebAn interesting legend of Zongzi has been passed down through generations from ancient China. Searle, J., 1980, Minds, brains and programs, Behavioral and Brain Sciences, III: 417-457. The Status of Qing in Philosophical Texts of Ancient China. In Expressions of States of Mind in Asia, edited by Paolo Santangelo. 3099067 Zhuangzi on Qing: Lack of Qing, Giving Free Reign to Qing, and Setting Qing at Rest :. Philosophical Researches 4: 5059. In the same way, your teachings have no practical use., Zhuangzi replied, This tree may be useless as lumber, but you could rest in the gentle shade of its big branches or admire its rustic character. Most scholars have understood qing in this exchange as referring to feelings or emotions. We take issue with such readings. 2011. 2010. Zhuangzi , Perspectives, and Greater Knowledge Please read this book to learn how to take advantage of the abundant language resources and opportunities for communication that surround you. Albany: State University of New York Press. 2016. Nothing Can Overcome Heaven: The Notion of Spirit in the Zhuangzi. In Hiding the World in the World: Uneven Discourses on the Zhuangzi, edited by Scott Cook.