or an instructor who has seen the various problems with effective use of these pistols in actual use. I still prefer options though. Am I losing it or were there the following errors in this article: 1. The thumb safety added nothing to the safety of 1911s in case the gun was dropped. > de-cocker style operating systems suck. Glock) they arent known for looking for expensive reliable guns (e.g. Absolutely nothing wrong with cocked and locked. in the hope that if someone relieved him of his gun, that would give him a few seconds to get it back before he was shot with it, as opposed to a gun which only required pulling the trigger. Knowing how to use what youve got is better than wishing that it was something else. Embrace it. The first pull will be stiffer, but thatwont matter much in a fight for your life scenario, and its only heavy on the first shot. views and opinions of Springfield Armory. I started with a Beretta 92 and use PX4s now. Many different factors go into discharging a Pistol. Many arms were made to meet government contract specs to be sold The US specified a safety on the pistol or we would have had a US version of the Tokarev. And putting in a Wolff spring has made the DA relatively light. Use H&K compact .45 SA/DA with decocker. Use the palm of your non-firing hand to pull the slide back and release it to chamber a round. Interesting attitude! Yes, I have to train to push another lever before I holster my gun. This is maximum cringe. How To Decock A Pistol Safely & Easily - Release & Ride The Hammer For home protection, I like condition 3, chamber empty, full mag, and hammer down. My Taurus 24/7 Pro LS DS 9mm. This was the first gun I ever owned with a de-cocker. Should Taurus add decocking functionality the G2C and G3 But ultimately I found that my own thumbs made it hard for me to work them easily. User: To decock a pistal safely and easily you should safely unload the pistal then utilize the . It is as simple as that. Recently purchased one of those toilets with a soft lowering seat, you just give it a whoose with your hand, and it takes about 5 seconds to lower its self. Not. Problems often arise when you are not familiar enough with your chosen pistol and dont recognize its strengths and weaknesses. is a thing for a very good reason. How do you de-cock a pistol. Dont even get me started on wheel gun guys who can get 12 off with a snub n mere seconds. articles and videos are considered to be suggestions and not recommendations from Springfield Armory. I have one, could never convince myself to carry it, and keep the chamber empty at home. Yup. Are they accurate under deliberate slow-fire conditions? TDA guns are designed to be safer carry guns. Always do it that way. If you just pull, and keep your aim through the pull, youre good. Solid firearm that never fails. Just because its tougher for you, personally, to train people whose guns have a decocker, doesnt mean having a decocker or a DA/SA pistol is a bad idea. It didnt fall out and the hammer was covered protecting it. Should Taurus add a manual decocking capability, most likely actuated by pushing the safety down past the firing position, allowing a controlled, non-firing release of the striker? This video is geared towards people who are very new to firearms. You never elaborated on that. In short, if you decock your pistol and choose to leave the safety engaged, fine. I want to reregister it in California so that I can conceal carry this pistol( I am retired from lapd with a ccw. has a decocker. (If you intend to keep the weapon loaded for self- or home-defense, make sure you store it safely for that purpose.) Once your finger is off the trigger, the firing pin block or hammer block will take over and prevent a ND. The views The Ruger P-series guns use a different shaped lever to help distinguish the two systems more readily. On can manually drop the trigger with their thumb but risk exists with that and slide can come back and smash your thumb and fingers into a bloody pulp. Between the DA trigger pull and having proper holsters that cover the trigger and trigger guard, the safety becomes an unnecessary redundancy. If you have any questions about the right way to handle or care for your firearms, our knowledgeable staff are here to help. but dont know how to operate them. Yes, by treating it as an SA gun with the hammer down. In fact the Beretta 92 was my first gun back when I didnt know poop from shinola. Gawd, I love these articles. sque dapibus efficitur laoreet. Ive put a crap ton of rounds through it and it is still as accurate as ever! To decock a pistol safely and easily you should - Weegy I am a novice with pistols. Thats what Id do. Whatever platform or carry method you use and write about, some internet expert will criticize it. It really is an extra. If you want to render it safe without the decocker, you can eject the mag and rack the slide just like you would a glock. Surplus cop DA/SA pistols are many shooters first high-quality, reliable pistol, and that leaves an angelic-like impression on many folks which is largely undeserved. You can unsubscribe at any time by replying STOP or clicking Wrong As a recent convert from wheel guns I love my CZ! Personally, this is not my preferred method of keeping the gun ready as I've found condition 2 to be the most fumble prone. I dont listen to bombastic phonies. The grip safety is there for a reason, too. Adding a mechanical firing pin block safety can also work, and some other 1911 manufacturers have taken this approach. I love the Sig SP2022 I currently own and use at the range and along side the bed at night. To help you out more, follow these steps to help you clear and store a pistol more carefully: After reading this write-up, you should have a good understanding of how to load, discharge, and clear your pistol safely. Thumb under hammer. and who would want a toilet seat like a de-cocker? this is why I keep the P90 in the baja bug. Trust me you will not notice the extra Draw length on the trigger pull. Could I make do with a DA/SA gun? I was wondering sometimes how safe the decockers are. 35 ViS was made IN Radom. The 2022 in SA has a short distance then it is ready to squeeze another round off with ease. Yeah well I dont give a hoot what the author says. But glocks are cocked and unlocked. Goddam, I wish I had a father like you. Im open to be educated but I personally have never heard of a ND induced by a de-cocking lever failing. Even if he had made the rank he wasnt entitled to use it since he did not retire but was drummed out. The photo of the wz. I couldnt find it. Its all about training and practice. This step-by-step guide will help you understand how to load, discharge, and clear a pistol safely. The only problem Ive had with it is a chipped extractor, twice, but it doesnt affect it. And the hard primer crap is usually just that crap. if one uses the two handed technique, where one uses the other hand to block access to the firing pin while thumbing down the hammer. I practiced and practice and practiced. To return the pistol to its safe state, it is necessary to uncock (decock) the hammer, usually by holding the hammer spur, carefully pulling the trigger, and then slowly lowering the hammer on the firing pin. The dexxxxer was a marvel to me. With the adaptation of the Beretta 92 by the US Military in 1980, hundreds of thousands of decocker-equipped firearms have been produced for military, police and non-LEO civilian consumers. With just a downward press of the thumb on the manual safety, the pistol is ready to fire with its famously good trigger pull. My point is that POTG should not just know how to run the gun they own. With the DC you only have to remember to De-Cock when you are finish for the Day. These are something a Glock cant offer. Sign up for a membership now! Both the 1911 and Hi Power use the single action/double action, cocked and locked style mechanism; they were quickly becoming the most popular auto-loading pistols of the day. Turn the gun sideways and re-insert the magazine by moving it upwards into the "Magazine Well" until you hear a clicking sound. And the hard primer crap is usually just that crap. I also practice swiping the safety off during draws and it is just part of my motion. 2. Iver Johnsons Safety Automatic was the first revolver that was drop safe with a round under the hammer. Close. Bend over the crossbow, grabbing the bowstring on both sides of the barrel using all four fingers of both hands. When I came out, everybody in the waiting room was staring at me. I grew up shooting my fathers Beretta 92 and then shot one in the military. This post was originally published at Fortress Defense Consultants. They dont work like they should. This article is an embarrassment as Herp explained. Always keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction. Now a decent DA revodlver isnt that hard to master at self defense ranges of <15 yards. So far every time the Scot Terror alerts in the house I am up and rolling, pistol on fire, finger outside guard. The third fail safe is not be pointed at anything/anybody you do not want to destroy. Use a Decocking Mechanism when Available. The Truth About Pistol De-Cockers The procedure I would use for your CZ is 1)place support hand thumb in between hammer and firing pin, 2) pull trigger to release hammer, 3) hammer falls or is guided gently onto your thumb, 4) release trigger (this engages the firing pin block), 5) slowly pull thumb out gently setting hammer onto the half cock position. Fusce dui lectus, congue vel laoreet ac, dictum vitae odio. There is holstering, unholstering, cleaning, storage, among others, and some people dont want a cocked and unlocked gun like the Glock for their everyday activities for the very rare instance that they would actually need to use it, and desire and want that first stiff trigger pull, or carry it cocked and locked. If youre already superb with a DA/SA.wait, never mind. Ill keep my DA/SA SRT trigger, thank you. I love my old Israeli police trade-in Jericho that is marked IMI rather than IWI. Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. People choose other guns for competition, well, because it is competition different tools for different jobs. Gee, I guess all my years in Iraq and Afghanistan make me one of those other guys who arent good shooters. Silly me, and here I thought I knew what I was doing. Holstering the 1911 as shown in the accompanying picture, with thumb on hammer, ensures the grip safety is engaged and the gun cannot discharge even if the shooter has neglected to push the thumb safety upward into the on-safe position. Whoever wrote this garbage is a moron. Place your index finger on the trigger and squeeze it gently to fire a round. First of all you should tell the difference between single and Doubble action pistols never lump them together. It would allow the gun to be used DA/SA. This method of concealed carry for a DA/SA pistol is not without risk. 3 methods for decocking a CZ / Tanfoglio pistol with a manual safety Really? Thats how its suppose to be done. I await your list of trainers (with links, please), so I can educate myself on this new trend of cocked-and-unlocked carry. (OK, thats a bit of an exaggeration, but). Both the 1911 and Hi Power use the single action/double action, cocked and locked style mechanism; they were quickly becoming the most popular auto-loading pistols of the day. All is says it PT24/7 including the Pro. How would you apply this to left hand shooters, other than having safety devices on both sides. My first semiauto was a Sig P229, after 30 years carrying revolvers, and I loved it *because* it used the same safety plan as a revolver, no safety on the gun except the DA pull, just like a revolver, then SA until decocked. And simple costs less. Consult the owner's manual for your pistol. I have both a 1911 and a Hi Power and neither are double action. My only complaint at all is that as Ive aged and acquired arthritis in my shooting hand, the DA seems more and more stiff and painful. In training with such pistols, the realities imposed by the decocker must be recognized and accommodated. Fusce dui lectus, congue vel laoreet ac, dictum vitae odio. The vast majority of self defense shootings happen well under 15 yards. The SA was awfully squishy, and didnt seem to have a clean break point like my 1911 or SAAs. Other thumb on spur. Log in for more information. Wouldnt trade them for anything. In fact, I have a Canik C100 at Cajun Gun Works now that Ill use as my EDC when they finish with it. Most of the work at hand. I would ask our author, Frank, to get out of his tactical echo chamber. Unfortunately, unlike the people of the old west, the APs & SPs would forget which way the cylinder turned and an AD was often the result. And to each his own. A loaded Glock is a fun range toy, carrying one strikes me as an invitation to disaster. Im not sure if thats great long term without a flag or dummy round in place. The Walther PP was introduced in 1929 with a safety/decocker. You just point and shoot just like a glock. Cooper never did this of course because he wasnt a colonel and he wasnt retired military. C. Safely unload the pistol then utilize the slide lock or hammer blocking method. With pistol in holster (empty), insert a fully loaded magazine in the magazine well and tap it in sharply. This is the standard operation of a glock. Im personally a devotee of striker fired pistols, but DA/SA pistols are perfectly fine and would be my second choice. And that applies to a lot of you 1911 shooters, too! Ride the hammer as well. Its the best of both worlds. Comments (0) So I respectfully disagree. And yet thats EXACTLY how Glocks are designed to be carried, and ARE carried by the thousands of police and private owners. Im a fan of this style gun. Safe. If you train with cocked and locked then thats pretty simple. Step outdoors: You don't want to operate a firearm for the first time in a closed space unless its a firing range. All one has to do if practice the DA for that first round, then its down hill while in SA mode. Your Glock sucking opinion is meaningless. Lovely gun for the transition. I took a course once from an ex-cop who said he always carried a 1911 style with the chamber empty and the hammer down (Is that Israeli carry?) I have a KSN Golan, Israeli Police trade in. The thing I have noticed is that revolver/DA people seem to transition to a striker gun without missing a beat. A couple of days later, Im in the doctors office and I went in to the can to take a leak. Carrying in this manner virtually eliminates stress induced, safety related mistakes. I have a p89 that I purchased in 92. This is verging on clickbait and I clicked. Thanks, MichaelH- I agree! In the late 90s I spoke to the sheriff about letting me carry a 1911. To decock a pistol safely and easily, [ you should: KEEP THE HANDGUN POINTED IN A SAFE DIRECTION; Enable the safety if available; Use the decocking lever if available; Place non-dominant hand thumb between hammer and firing pin. ] Glocks have the trigger safety. . True. CZs..the only pistols I shoot. Pick a mode, use that mode exclusively. While it has been proven that the original 100-year-old design can discharge from firing pin inertia if dropped on either end, particularly if thousands of trigger pulls have weakened the firing pin spring, this has been corrected on modern designs. Pressing the button will be enough to decock the firearm. 6 years in service, but rarely had use of a piston, and Ive been out of practice for many years. Don't let kids or amateurs handle your pistol. And, similar to many striker fired pistols, there is no manual safety to prevent me from firing the weapon when I want to. This is accomplished with the rifle on the shoulder and in the firing position. They require an initial press downward to de-cock. The gun is carried with the hammer down. What major training issues arise from it? Unload all the guns before storing them away and load them when preparing for. As I said above, if youre good with a DA/SA, youll be great with a quality striker-fired pistol. Hard to hear it through his pants as he talks out of his ass. Ive got de-cocking guns. If running a decocker is tough to learn and put into practice, you might re-think armed self defense and carry a baseball bat. then let the hammer down by putting my thumb on the hammer and pulling the trigger. This is also the case with the well-regarded Smith & Wesson third-generation family of pistols. I grew up with Safety on at all times. You know so much its almost hard to argue with you (not that I actually would want to. Fortress Defense Consultants? This is why a decocker is an extra in my opinion. Take a close look folks, this is what happens when someone who thinks they know what theyre talking about goes to Wikipedia to reinforce their mistaken beliefs. However, 85 percent of the guns students show up with fall into the polymer, striker-fired category. If I were limited to only owning and carrying one gun, it would be a Sig P226. General EDC Archives - EveryDayCarryConcealed In this state, the trigger is dead. if you can easily swap from de- cock to manual (some czs) then this is a non- issue. Other systems like Sig and H&K retard the hammers travel and dont fully drop it onto the firing pin. Esp. Using the decocker takes the trigger from the light 4lb to a stiffer 9lb. i do not ever want a longer initial pull. I too have always felt that the long D.A. Others, like on the Taurus 24/7 are combined with the manual safety. One Simple Trick for Keeping Your Guns Incredibly Clean, The Four Rules of Gun Safety for New Gun Ownersand Everyone Else [VIDEO], How to Make Sure Your Shotgun Really Fits You, https://eaacorp.com/index.php/guns/witness-elite-gold-team-tanfoglio-76, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYvAxLX6OzE, http://www.taurususa.com/product-details.cfm?id=169&category=Pistol. If someone were to make your argument with regards to the Second Amendment, youd have your panties in a bunch. by Mike V. | Concealed Carry, General EDC. Im used to external-hammer pistols with external safeties that can be decocked easily, but of course thats not possible with this pistol.