In the year's first game, a knee injury sidelined the Seahawks' star running back Curt Warner for the rest of the season, forcing Coach Knox to discard his run-oriented "Ground Chuck" offense and adopt a new, more pass-intensive philosophy "Air Knox." Krieg is one of the main reasons for the Seahawks finishing 12-4 in 1984 (season Curt Warner got injured in the 1st game and missed the rest of the season). When I think of Dave Kreig, I always think of the 1985 Seahawks, the team that alternated four 2 game winning streaks with four 2 game losing streaks. Scott Mitchell was the poster boy for falling in love with small sample sizes. Nice to see DVOA back up these intuitions. Bigger hands and Dave would have been so much better. EXCELLENT article on our QB and thus draft situation, Some Denver fans not sure we won Wilson trade. Yes, that one season was pretty extraordinary, but he's going to have to wait for Mike to write a series of "One Hit Wonders" articles. Hand size is more of a fun trivia fact than anything that says a quarterback will fail in the big leagues. "I said earlier in the week that we don't want to get this guy into the game and let him get into a rhythm," Jones said. Might wnat 5o do fiction instead. Does anyone else remember the Cortez Kennedy commercial? I felt really old when I had to explain to a younger fan who I was getting my picture with though. The World League castoff Stan Gelbaugh was somehow the best QB on the roster (and he was god awful). [22], In 1989, Krieg struggled to lead an offense depleted by injuries. Krieg would have disappeared if Gaddini didn't have a connection in the Seahawks personnel department. When that remedy failed to avert a four-game losing streak, Knox gave Krieg another chance. Krieg (as you mentioned)was awesome down the stretch, Herman Moore was emerging as a star, and Barry Sanders was having one of his signature seasons. The USFL created a bidding war for top players, and once it folded, NFL owners tried to roll back salaries. That season, Seattle had a Sunday Night and Monday Night game in back to back weeks, both of which Stouffer started. DeBerg moved on, and Krieg found himself handing off to Christian Okoye and Barry Word in a conservative offense for a team run by an old-school head coach that got hammered in the first round of the playoffs. There are a few things you should know about Seattle quarterback Dave Krieg, the NFLs top-rated passer after two weeks. Jones was, in fact, the player who injured Mitchell. WebCheckout the latest stats for Dave Krieg. But the tales of that rifle arm and tight spirals into the wind we read in the last section didn't survive into the era of MTV and personal computers. It's a matter of doing what's right (for the team). However, Krieg and Seahawks offense were overwhelmed by the aggressive defense of the L.A. At least the Seahawks suckered the Bears into giving up a first round pick for him! WebDave Krieg was probably the 12th best QB in the NFL in his era behind Montana, Elway, Marino, Kelly, Moon, Esiason, Kosar, OBrien, Simms, Lomax, and Cunningham. Zorn, meanwhile, was getting into hot water with Patera, possibly for criticizing the offensive line, possibly for visibly supporting the NFL Players Association in the weeks leading up to a work stoppage. In reply to Great work, Mike by billycurley. The Packers narrowly held off the Lions for a 38-30 win. In January 2017, Krieg raised the 12 Flag atop the Space Needle a few days before the Seahawks defeated the Detroit Lions, 26-6, in an NFL Wild Card playoff game.[44]. (Chiefs safety Deron Cherry intercepted four of the passes). .or just me??? By this point, "small hands" had been added to "played for a college that no longer exists" in Krieg's short-form resume, and he's still third (behind Brett Favre and Warren Moon) on the all-time fumble list. Without a strong supporting cast, Krieg turned in another inconsistent year. Mahomes has played in the AFC Championship Game every year of his starting career and is the leagues arguable best player. ), 2) There's a very thin difference in time between sports fans who remember Jack Patera, Seahawks head coach better (and think of Ken as Jack's brother)or remember Ken Patera, Olympic and (and more notably) pro wrestler better (and think of Jack as Ken's brother). But when Zorn suffered a broken ankle in 1981, Patera surprised everyoneincluding Kriegby naming Krieg the starter. [8] In his first NFL start against the New York Jets on December 6, Krieg ran for one touchdown and threw for two others, including a 57-yard game-winning completion to Steve Largent. Players shook hands with opponents as a sign of union solidarity before preseason games in 1982, and the usual suspects reacted as if they were burning puppies cradling bibles wrapped in flags. WebPeople named Dave Krieg. I always enjoyed watching Krieg. They were merely average for someone of his 6-foot-5 stature. He also earned the "Ground Chuck" nickname: his Rams finished first or second in the NFL in rushing attempts four times, and his Bills finished second in 1980 and fourth in 1982. Dave Krieg | American Football Database | Fandom I called home and complained, my Dad said, yeah, we don't watch the games, it's too depressing so we just set up the VCR and send you the tapes. NFL Scouting Combine becomes a hands game - Chicago Sun pic.twitter.com/wmVSmWf5oO He retired as a Seahawk, and held his press conference in Cheney because it was the site of his first camp in 1980. Largent broke a bone in his elbow early in the 1989 season and announced his retirement late in the year. ", Krieg himself made a remark which would prove ironic in the seasons to come. Then a strike erased two months. There are so many good bad stats from this team, but my personal favorite is that they never topped 17 points on the season and had a six-game stretch in which they scored 22 points total! Dave Krieg After Mitchell's poor half season in '94., everyone was ready to jump off the bandwagon. And so a quarterback controversy was born. Join us for a final installment of the Legends of DVOA which spans nearly a generation and features labor strikes, cantankerous coaches, and over a decade's worth of quarterback controversies. ), is beyond me. Knox replaced Krieg with Jim Zorn to finish out the game as the visiting Seahawks lost to the Raiders, who went on to win Super Bowl XVIII. Krieg is the quarterback Fitzpatrick wishes he could be. Stouffer replaced Krieg after a three-interception meltdown, just as the Seahawks were about to face the Bill Parcells-Bill Belichick-Lawrence Taylor Giants. In the most memorable game of the season, on November 11, the Seahawks made their annual visit to Arrowhead Stadium, where they had not won since 1980. The Seahawks went 12-4 and avenged themselves against the Raiders in the playoffs but got hammered by Marino's Dolphins in the divisional round. And Krieg is better than Zorn has ever been in the past.". "When you get a good horse, you just grab the reins and hang on.". Please keep me in your thoughts. You must log in or register to reply here. They alternated pairs of wins and then losses the entire season (2-0, 2-2, 4-2, 4-4, etc. To their credit, Knox and Meyer turned back to Krieg as soon as he was healthy. Given the opportunity to play in the fourth game of his freshman season (1976), he completed four passesthree of them for touchdownsand continued to play well enough to start for the rest of his college career. Were supposed to forgetor even simply sidelinethoughts of how accurate of a passer a person is or how well they do under pressure. Perhaps due to this increased competition, Krieg's consistency increased further in 1988. Yep. [11] Zorn reclaimed his former role, but played inconsistently. Football Outsiders content published by ESPN. Krieg signed with the Seahawks' division rivals, the Kansas City Chiefs, and started for them throughout 1992, leading his new team to a 106 record, including two victories over Seattle. And Favres hands are a semi-gigantic 1013 inches from thumb to pinkie. Ranking every NFL team's 2023 draft class from 32 (sorry, 49ers) to 1 (whoa, Colts), 13 Winners (Bill Belichick!) "How bad can it get if there are only 50 guys on the team and you're the seventh-best quarterback?" In his second season as a starter, less than a year after he tore his ACL, Joe Burrow threw 34 touchdowns, won three playoff games and took the Bengals to their first Super Bowl in over three decades. Krieg could not, however, lead the Lions past the Packers in the playoffs. When Zorn continued to struggle in the final game of the season,[12] Coach Mike McCormack inserted Krieg, who rallied Seattle to a victory over the Denver Broncos. Things weren't going well. "When I got another chance that made me realize how fortunate I was to play in the National Football League," Krieg said during that December hot streak. As someone who started following the league at near the end of Kreig's prime, I didn't really have a good feel for his career arc. When injuries sidelined Jim Zorn late in the season, Krieg started the last three games and played well, helping the team record two of its six wins that year. This was back when teams would occasionally play teams outside their division twice in a season. FactSnippet No. He attended Milton College and made the Seattle Seahawks as an undrafted free agent. Krieg also became part owner of the af2's Green Bay Blizzard in 2007 along with former Green Bay Packer linebacker Brian Noble. Krieg suffered a thumb injury in the 1991 season opener, leading to even more Kemp and Stouffer. He backed up Montana in San Francisco, Elway in Denver, Young in Tampa, and Marino in Miami. "Ground Chuck" took flight under Dave Krieg. Thanks as always for the great write-up! Krieg has now been surpassed by both Brett Favre and Warren Moon for career fumbles. But he has been the frontman for one of the NFLs more successful teams of late, and he does bring consistency to the table. "He's the man we're going with," Turner said of Krieg at the time. With something weird NFL in rti but not sure if have desire anymroe. Of course I remember him. "People talk about the arm strength of quarterbacks," said Seahawks quarterback coach Ken Meyer in a Krieg profile during the 1984 playoffs. He endured 53 sacks and fumbled 16 times in a typically dreary afterthought of a Ryan offense. NFL Combine 5 QBs with smaller hands who were just fine in the We know you are here for the FREE analytics, not the ads. Kemp relieved Krieg in the fourth quarter and nearly led the Seahawks on a scoring drive in the final 71 seconds. Thanks for this article - Dave Krieg was one of my favorite players - and I thought I was the only one who thought he was pretty great! Dave Krieg "With a three-day growth of beard and hair that hung almost to his collar, [Krieg] hardly looked like the hero type," wrote columnist Bob Smizik, bringing some heavy get-off-my-lawn energy to the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. Head coach Jack Patera and offensive coordinator Jerry Rhome liked Krieg, and he latched on in training camp in 1980once again as a seventh-string quarterback, at least according to Krieg's recollections. I remember when 44 year old Deberg started a game for the 1998 Falcons (one of their 2 losses that season). Krieg has now been Completed only 1 of 12 passes Kriegby then nearly 40 years oldcame off the bench to rally the Oilers to victory, going 7-of-13 for 129 yards. Wheeeee!!!!!! Dave Krieg hand I liked him (probably because that's how Philadelphia area sportswriters often wrote). WebFor many years Krieg held the NFL record for most career fumbles, a result of both a lengthy career at quarterback and unusually small hands for the position. Seattle Mariners @ Oakland Athletics May 2-4. Dave Krieg's Career | Seahawks And he called plays using a shoulder mounted speaker system for a time as well. Stroud, Mike Tanier's Final Three-Round Mock Draft, Things to Do While Waiting for Aaron Rodgers. In reply to Lol. I remember feeling like the Seahawks had finally fixed their QB problems but that didn't happen. WebQuarterback controversies! Raiders in the American Football Conference Championship Game. [28] Although Krieg had set Detroit Lions regular-season records for fewest passes intercepted (3) and highest passer rating (101.7), the team decided to stick with Mitchell and let Krieg become a free agent. His play ranged from awful (2 games with passer ratings below 15) to mediocre (5 games in the 50s and 60s) to good (4 games in the 70s, 80s, or 90s) to brilliant (5 games with ratings over 100). Then he melted down in the Wildcard Game, leading to one of the all-time playoff beat-downs, and subsequently went back to being the Scott Mitchell we all know and love today. He passed away in 2018. In 1994, Krieg signed with the Detroit Lions to back up Scott Mitchell. The Seahawks would not reach the playoffs again after Krieg's departure until Paul Allen bought the team and Mike Holmgren took over as head coach in 1999. Lol. The running game sputtered as injuries slowed Curt Warner, and the aging offensive line struggled to open holes for him. I had forgotten the Rams play, that's got to be one of the greatest plays in history. by ahzroc. And Krieg, the team's starter for a decade, was exposed to Plan B free agency, the rough 1980s equivalent of being a June 1 cap casualty. How he not only went 6th overall, but had the audacity to hold out and force a trade (and it worked! "He's got a big-league arm. Cranky coaches! "There isn't anything particularly outstanding I can tell you about Kelly Stouffer other than he has a good arm, he's tall, and he can move around pretty good," Knox said of the quarterback his team traded a first-round pick for. ", That late surge only brought a small measure of job security, however. He was on the radio just recently. -Deberg, a decent QB in his own right, is the king of Hall of Fame backups. See Photos. I saw one of those Top 10 Busts or some such show where one player was saying that Mirer was done as soon as they figured out he wouldn't or couldn't throw to his right or his left, I can't remember which any more. I remember reading his columns when I was an undergraduate college student in central Pennsylvania in the early-to-mid 1990s and especially as a graduate student in western Pennsylvania in the late 1990s. 6) The Seahawks' five game winning streak at the end of the 1986 season impressed everyone at the time. Krieg led a 90-yard touchdown drive to bring the Chiefs within 7 points, but the Buffalo Bills scored 10 unanswered points in the fourth quarter to qualify for their fourth straight Super Bowl appearance. WebKrieg was the holder of the NFL record for most career fumbles for many years, owing to both a lengthy career at quarterback and extremely small hands for the position. Did our Marvin49 just get featured in a niner nation article? Terms apply, see operator site for Terms and Conditions. Dave Krieg Web Page WebKrieg was the holder of the NFL record for most career fumbles for many years, owing to both a lengthy career at quarterback and extremely small hands for the position. and the Quarterback who didn't know how to adjust his chin strap properly it always ended up under his nose. Dave Krieg The Krieg-led Lions in the 2nd half of '94 was one of my favorite Lions teams to watch. That was an ancient DeBerg who came in late in the season in relief of an injured Marino and did a bang-up job. However, he faltered in midseason, so Coach Knox benched him in favor of Gale Gilbert. Jets link has been fixed. If you or someone you know has a gambling problem, help is available. Consequently, inconsistency again plagued Krieg. Krieg left a Week 3 loss to the Rams after enduring seven sacks. WebIn a 1991 game between the New Orleans Saints and Seattle Seahawks, QB Dave Krieg got injured and suffered a broken thumb. [43], He was inducted into the Seattle Seahawks Ring of Honor in 2004.[17]. "[36], Later that month, the Jacksonville Jaguars knocked McNair out of a game, but Krieg's comeback effort failed. Krieg's Bears success earned him a two-year stint behind Steve McNair for Jeff Fisher's Oilers/Titans. Searching for contemporary comparisons for Krieg may be missing the point, however. In the last two years where the 49ers qualified for the postseason (2019 and 2021), they won four playoff games with Garoppolo as their starter. He was the hottest thing on the planet in October of 93 as many believed Miami couldnt win a game without Marino. Of course his performance in December was the real Mitchell, but that didnt stop the Lions. 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Kried to Largent was a thing for several years. WebHad some really good moments with Krieg.But he gets my vote for the All time NFL Quarterbacks with the most Balls slipped out of his hands( i swear he must have some 1996. Head coach Mike Holmgren said of Krieg, "I always wanted him to play for me, but he was way too expensive every year. You would think that that wouldve precluded Brady from throwing 624 touchdowns and winning seven Super Bowls somewhere along the way. Somehow, Knox resisted the urge to insert the towel boy at quarterback, and the Seahawks pulled out of a team-wide meltdown to win five straight games and nearly reach the playoffs. BackCAST 2023: Is Zach Charbonnet Overrated? Having lived near the Seattle mediasphere during Krieg's reign I really liked this piece. 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